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	<title>Comments on: Does one less watering hole in Wenatchee mean downtown is suffering?</title>
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		<title>By: Geordie Romer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geordie Romer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 02:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Travis- We&#039;re losing a bar/ restaurant in Leavenworth too now that Dragonfly is closing its doors. Folks seem to be blaming the bad economy, but I think that&#039;s a red herring. 50% of new businesses fail - period. Restaurants are a tough business and in any economy in any town, many will fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travis- We&#8217;re losing a bar/ restaurant in Leavenworth too now that Dragonfly is closing its doors. Folks seem to be blaming the bad economy, but I think that&#8217;s a red herring. 50% of new businesses fail &#8211; period. Restaurants are a tough business and in any economy in any town, many will fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t have a high-end pub in a low rent town, even though in this economy it&#039;s sad to see any small business go down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t have a high-end pub in a low rent town, even though in this economy it&#8217;s sad to see any small business go down.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Hay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis Hay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 02:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the clarification Doug, I have changed the post so it is more accurate. I definitely think there was some identity crisis there with The Raven. I don&#039;t think it did much to distinguish itself from McGlinn&#039;s and other restaurants that offer similar fare downtown.

I know nothing about Cafe Mela&#039;s financial situation, but I would guess they are doing okay because they are the sole coffee shop downtown (or at least the sole shop I am aware of).  

And I&#039;m in your boat about the need for a music store. I&#039;m a massive music nerd and I think a record store or a music shop that sold instruments, music and offered up occasional live performances would be very well received by consumers both young and old in Wenatcheee.

And Joanne, thank you for the compliment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the clarification Doug, I have changed the post so it is more accurate. I definitely think there was some identity crisis there with The Raven. I don&#8217;t think it did much to distinguish itself from McGlinn&#8217;s and other restaurants that offer similar fare downtown.</p>
<p>I know nothing about Cafe Mela&#8217;s financial situation, but I would guess they are doing okay because they are the sole coffee shop downtown (or at least the sole shop I am aware of).  </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m in your boat about the need for a music store. I&#8217;m a massive music nerd and I think a record store or a music shop that sold instruments, music and offered up occasional live performances would be very well received by consumers both young and old in Wenatcheee.</p>
<p>And Joanne, thank you for the compliment.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Shirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Shirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For starters, it may be unfair to say the &quot;....cleverly named restaurant The Restaurant...&quot; failed.  Didn&#039;t the owners retire after a very long run at that location?  It&#039;s also comparing apples and potatos.  The Resturant was a breakfast/lunch place.  

I never figured out exactly what The Raven was.  A restaurant?  An upscale bar?  Maybe the folks just misjudged the market.  The folks at Cafe Mela seem to be doing OK in their downtown location, and McGlinn&#039;s (gawd, I miss The Orondo sometimes....) hasn&#039;t kicked the bucket.

As to the shape of Downtown Wenatchee, it&#039;s hard to judge, not knowing sales figures of the merchants.  I know there are some open storefronts, but in general it looks to be in good shape.  It&#039;s got a good mix of the type of shops you&#039;d want in a downtown, that is stores that do not rely on heavy foot traffic but carry the type or quality of item that people will seek out.  Mills Bros, Palmer Shoes, Read it Again Books and Arlberg Sports come to mind right off.

Granted, I do with the landlords of the old P.N. Hersh/Sofa World location had been more agressive and rented it to something other than a bingo parlor, but it takes creative Grand Central Building type thinking to rent out large spaces like that, or the old Sears building.  In general, I give downtown a B+.  I wish there was a good music store down there, but that&#039;s just me.  Given the economic condition of the times, downtown&#039;s doing a pretty good job.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For starters, it may be unfair to say the &#8220;&#8230;.cleverly named restaurant The Restaurant&#8230;&#8221; failed.  Didn&#8217;t the owners retire after a very long run at that location?  It&#8217;s also comparing apples and potatos.  The Resturant was a breakfast/lunch place.  </p>
<p>I never figured out exactly what The Raven was.  A restaurant?  An upscale bar?  Maybe the folks just misjudged the market.  The folks at Cafe Mela seem to be doing OK in their downtown location, and McGlinn&#8217;s (gawd, I miss The Orondo sometimes&#8230;.) hasn&#8217;t kicked the bucket.</p>
<p>As to the shape of Downtown Wenatchee, it&#8217;s hard to judge, not knowing sales figures of the merchants.  I know there are some open storefronts, but in general it looks to be in good shape.  It&#8217;s got a good mix of the type of shops you&#8217;d want in a downtown, that is stores that do not rely on heavy foot traffic but carry the type or quality of item that people will seek out.  Mills Bros, Palmer Shoes, Read it Again Books and Arlberg Sports come to mind right off.</p>
<p>Granted, I do with the landlords of the old P.N. Hersh/Sofa World location had been more agressive and rented it to something other than a bingo parlor, but it takes creative Grand Central Building type thinking to rent out large spaces like that, or the old Sears building.  In general, I give downtown a B+.  I wish there was a good music store down there, but that&#8217;s just me.  Given the economic condition of the times, downtown&#8217;s doing a pretty good job&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne Saliby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanne Saliby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So it seems likely that dining at The Raven will be, um, nevermore.&quot;

Great line, Travis. I love it! 

Interesting blog, also. I know L&#039;worth is having a few closures of its own, and we have been wondering about Wenatchee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So it seems likely that dining at The Raven will be, um, nevermore.&#8221;</p>
<p>Great line, Travis. I love it! </p>
<p>Interesting blog, also. I know L&#8217;worth is having a few closures of its own, and we have been wondering about Wenatchee.</p>
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